The Catholic God...the Evangelical God, the God of Islam, of Mormonism, of Judaism, Hinduism.....or just Beck's chosen God?

Since there are 10,000 religions that disagree about God......what the hell is Beck talking about?  Why can't he see that God is not the answer, but the crutch for every man made religion.   

America's answer is to promote freedom and liberal democracy without any interference of gods!   Our forefathers kept references to gods as generic and undefined.   Beck is promoting the Christian faith.....there is a big differnce! And freedom of religion has found no path to the one true absolute God....if one exists!

Warren Buffet Bill Gates, Charles Krauthammer, are agnostics........Ted Haggard, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Baker, Franklin Graham are true believers......... It is an any choice for me to stand with the Agnostics when it comes to character and compassion for mankind.

Overbearing Chrisitanity and Islam is a no win deal.....freedom from religion is essential.

The Evangelical Right is as tiresome as the Marxist  Left when it comes to reason!  

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Because of America's great success as a nation it is easy to see why freedom, capitalism and liberal democracy are the best qualities of what has always been the shining light of the world...America!

The engine of prosperity is every business, large or small, that creates jobs and innovations to make our lives better and safe.   When business is good,  tax revenues are great at reasonable rates and during those time we raise the most revenue.   The government has failed to manage welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, fannie and freddie......the list goes on and on!  Hey, let's put Obama in charge of everything....WOW!  Unemployment is growing!

We elected a naive leader who has dreamed and played with the great liberal and socialist losers of the world.   Even his Democrat opponents during the election said he was unqualifed to be President.   They were right and he has created more debt than all of the presidents before him combined.

Something to really think about in the upcoming election.  

Remove BO's braindead followers and cohorts from office and let's make a correction back to what our forefathers dreamed we could be.   A free country not bound by dogma from any one religion and strangled by oppression from overwhelmingly big government!

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Our forefathers came to America running away from theocratic governments that oppressed individuals with forced choice of religion. Even though they mentioned generic terms like "creator or maker" it should be clearly obvious that they structured a Constitution that would open the doors to freedom while guaranteeing that not one of their chosen beliefs would be embraced or promoted by government. Why would they want government to be possessed by any God when that was the curse they had been living? That freedom unleashed the chance for all religions and beliefs to grow and gain power. And that they have! But religions are great at claiming that the more members and money they have the more real their God must be. Catholicism, Islam and Christianity all fall into this trap and declare, without question, they are the one true religion.

So we have a free country overwhelmed by unlimited religions all positioning for power to influence government, and totalitarian countries removing all rights to believe, or forcing Islam or some other religion down the throats of their slaves.

It seems like religion is a problem no one can fix. Could it be because not one religion in the world has any valid evidence to close the deal on speculations about God?

So when Glenn Beck has a show with a dozen or so evangelical preachers expressing that the only way to save America is by returning to the literal Word and Gospel of Jesus Christ….I really worry about where we are going! Islam wants the whole world to return to the Dark Ages and the word of Allah as presented by Mohammed......while Christians dance around the issue of their true hidden desire…..a Christian Theocracy that puts the Word of Jesus ahead of our Constitution. On the other hand, the Left would like to restrict freedom of belief….especially when it comes to Evangelicals.

In America we have religions trying to strong arm government and freedom…even if it destroys that freedom! That’s a shame. In Iran, North Korea, China…etc… there is no real freedom…….That’s a shame.

Until God shows up and removes all doubt who the real God is, it would be nice if the religious charlatans would quit jerking us around!

As a conservative, I think what religions are doing to good conservatism is a shame, and what the Liberals are doing to free market democracy is a tragedy!

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I am a loyal, fiscal conservative, capitalistic and freedom loving Agnostic American.  I have grown very weary of the proselytizing by Republican conservatives who claim to be the "Party of God!" 

However one wants to spin the argument about America being a Christian nation, it seems clear that the successes and strengths of America come from the foundation our forefathers established to insure a government of the people, by the people and for the people, with no control or attachment to anyone's chosen religion. 

Since religions are based on speculation about which supernatural God rewards or punishes us, it is very unfortunate that our wise forefathers didn't see the problem they would create by using generic terms like "creator."  It should be clear to any reasonable person that the great minds of our founders did not agree on whom or what the creator was, or they would have joined together to create the “one true theocracy”.....exactly the nightmare that drove them to face their dangerous journey to America.  That is one reason so many of them fought to keep "Jesus" out of the founding documents.  Obviously a good compromise for them was a "generic creator."…  i.e. Thomas Jefferson did not accept Jesus a an immortal supernatural God. 

Today, I see this as a very destructive issue to the climate of modern politics.  In the environment of freedom, Christianity and all other religions and beliefs have grown and survived.  Since many of our forefathers religious history came from Christian sects, the odds were good that Christianity would be come the predominant religion of many Americans.   Great cases have been made to support the idea that the dominating religious dogma of any region tends to be those most likely to grow and survive in that region. 

I am distressed at times about the political climate, and attitude of pious conservatives who cannot stop their attacks on everyone they see as not accepting of their God.

What is really confusing to me, is that all the god chasers, who can't even agree with one another about God, will join together to attack anyone who refuses to take a "leap of faith!"   It is sort of like....if you don't believe in God you are pond scum," but if you will just believe in any one of the 10,000 or so gods, then you are a "brother in faith and righteousness to the Almighty!" 

There is something very wrong with these equivalents ..... 

If Jesus = Obama = Rev. Wright = Huckabee = Beck = Graham = Ted Haggard = Romney = Pope …….does that equate to Honorable Character?   

If God = Islam = Catholicism = Protestants = Mormonism = Hebrews = Scriptures =Religion ….. does that equate to Spiritual Truth? 

I am tired of tuning in to media pundits who are praising the God of Government... or, the God of Righteousness.  

In a free country we should define all people who obey and follow the law of our Democracy as valued citizens, and we should stop defining worthiness referring to scriptures credited to supernatural gods ....and delivered by men. 

Some extremely worthwhile people are agnostic non-believers.....Bill Gates and Warren Buffet for example....giving to charities around the world and sharing their free market rewards. 

I use to call myself a Republican......but it's hard to do today.... 

I have always thought of the Left and Liberalism as the "Church of Socialism" ...promoting sameness and destroying the free will to build a dream. 

I now think of the Right and the Republicans as the "Church of Divisiveness"...promoting Christianity and Jesus as the foundation of America, and impeding the cause of fiscal conservatism so many non-believers cherish!  

I don't care what creator you believe in, we should put religion aside like our forefathers did and regain the freedom and independence they gave us, or we will lose the freedom of belief that we should dearly cherish.  

So, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Huckabee, Limbaugh, Ingram, Franklin Graham  etc....quit insinuating that all non-believers are hopeless pond scum liberal progressives........America needs fiscally conservative non-believers to get our country back on track.......and trust me,  there are many of us out here! 

I heard Glenn Beck proselytizing today that we need to rebuild our connection to the faith of our forefathers.....I would remind him of Thomas Jefferson's words..."Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
Thomas Jefferson 

How about a moment of silence to respect freedom of belief......and non-belief

God is in control?

I am going through by third family member trying to recover from a fractured hip….and it is not looking good.  During these health events I watch all kinds of people from different faiths going through the same torturous recovery or ending that my family members are going through.  The medical technologies give them all kinds of possibilities to extend life but their frail human capabilities do not give them much hope.  If God exists and is in control he is either not helping them or torturing them severely so they will be sure to crave his heavenly love if they make it to Heaven.  The birthing process is poorly designed and women are subjected to pain and life threatening outcomes for them and their newborns.  The dying process from age is the most painful and uncompassionate event most Americans will ever face.  Church affiliation or praying offers no relief to the elderly that is dying but makes the living feel better while they really have no significant effect on the outcome.  I watched a 34 year old woman die of cancer while begging God through family prayer for a chance to finish her  music CD….with no answer to those prayers.  My associate and I finished her CD at no charge and gave it to her the day she died.  I watched my 102 year old mother begging to end her life but no God answered……she wanted to know if I could help her…..I said no.

Franklin Graham thinks God was punishing sinful New Orleans……Pat Robertson thinks Haiti was punished by God…..Hugo Chavez thinks Bush is Satan……..Christian coal miners die in USA……Communist coal miners die in China……

Radical Islam wants to kill all infidels and eliminate all other religions.  Catholics say they are the one true church and want to stop abortion while they tarnish all their efforts with pedophilia among other things.  Evangelicals say the have the one true faith while being a big part of the 70% of American Christians that have abortions every year while supporting lavish concert style phony preachers.   Mormon’s say they have the one true religion and present their case from data that any reasonable person would not believe.   There are 10,000 religions and not a single one them has the facts or data to convince the others they are the one true religion.  

Our world is governed by chaos and only the reasonable, practical thoughts and personal responsibilities of mankind have any real meaning.   There are no miracles, no gods, no Utopias, and no Heavens.

The world would be much better off if religions and governments did not obstruct man’s real potential.

We have Iran wanting to eliminate us and Barack Obama wanting government to possess us.  [the influence of Ahmadinejad or Rev. Wright?]

Man has evolved to know better….but man still doesn’t know much at all…..

How much worse can it get?

[QUOTE]Social Security, Medicare Finances Worsen
Financial Health Of Government's Two Biggest Benefits Programs Down In Recession; Medicare Now Pays Out More Than It Receives[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/12/politics/main5009169.shtml[/url]

Even with past prosperity, our government has never been able to adequately fund or manage their social programs.  As BO adds new ones like Health Care that will fail.....where will they get the money.....and who will it hurt?

If you don't know....you are part of the movement destroying the free market system!

There are no perfect solutions to our complex society, but there are bad ones that should be avoided.  Socialism is destructive to our freedoms and pursuit of happiness....history proves that.

Our only hope is that our democracy remains strong enough to remove the Utopian dreamers from office.

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"I’ve written at length on Barack Obama’s foreign policy failings, which are legion. For a president who ran an election campaign promising to raise “America’s standing” in the world, he is doing a spectacularly bad job. Obama seems bored and disinterested in foreign policy, and has made little effort to strengthen existing alliances or to build the kinds of enduring friendships with key foreign leaders that are vital for projecting strong US leadership across the globe. He has even treated America’s closest ally with utter contempt, throwing the Anglo-American Special Relationship onto the bonfire.

Without a doubt, the president is leading the United States on the path of decline as a world power, a dangerous course which a future US administration will have to reverse. Barack Obama cuts an increasingly lonely and at times isolated figure on the world stage, with few real friends, but confronted with the same array of deadly enemies that his predecessor faced. America, and the world, deserves better."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100029050/barack-obama-the-lonely-world-leader/

"Still, it's worth wondering: Would Sarkozy have fought French public opinion and sent more troops to Afghanistan (he has refused) if he had been cultivated more by Obama? Would Israel's Netanyahu be willing to take more risks in the (moribund) Middle East peace process if he believed he could count on this U.S. president? Would Karzai cooperate more closely with U.S. commanders in the field if Obama had embraced him?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030702690.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

So much for the magical communication powers of the arrogant and naive President Obama.

He is still the Pied Piper to some.....leading us to dismal places!  Thankfully, change will come starting with the November elections.

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